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Eleanor Cordova

Contributed by: Arleen Aguirre

Huerfano County History Project
Oral History Data Sheet
Eleanora Cordova

Interviewee: Eleanor Cordova Date of Interview 8-79
Location of interview: Redwing CO Length of Interview: 75 Minutes
Transcribed: Yes Language Spoken : Spanish
Translator : Lorraine Vargas

Personal Data
Name: Eleanor Cordova D O B July 1910
Husband - Solomon Cordova
Name of Parents - Juanita Rodriquez and Eliseo Martinez
Maternal grandparents - Magdalena Chacon and Tomas Rodriguez
Paternal grandparents - Antonia Quintana and Jose Ignacio Martinez
Ethnic Group - Spanish American
Family Origin - Only know that families on both sides moved from Conejos.
Location of First Family Settlement: Mother's family first moved to North Veta
Professional: Wife (mother of 13, beet fields / Ranchers)


My father's name was Elisio Martinez, my mother's name was Juanita Rodriguez.
I was born in Red wing, in July of 1910. My grandparents on my mother's side were Tomas Rodriguez and Magdalena Chacon. on my father's side they were Jose Ignacio (Ynacio) Martinez and Antonia Quintana.

Q: Where were you grandparents from?
A: Both grandparents came from Conejos.

Q: In what year?
A: I don't know.

Q: Do you know why they left Conejos to come here?
A: Well, their parents moved here with the whole family, and they just never went back. My maternal, grandparents lived in North La Veta and my paternal grandparents lived here in Redwing, in that house that's located below the church, where my mother also lived for many years.

Q: How did your father meet your mother?
A: I don't know how they met. Well I know that they always lived there in that house, unless they had to work in the mountains. When my father used to cut the timber, that's the only time they stayed up in the mountains. The rest of the time they lived here. We were all born and raised here, there were nine of us in the family. We all attended school here also.

Q: Was it in the same building?
A: No, it was a different building, than I went to. I attended school until I graduated from the eight grade there.

Q: Can you remember your teacher's name?
A: I can remember of Ben Archuleta which is a relative of Virginia Rodriguez. The other one I can remember came from New Mexico, his name was Iblor. (I can't remember his last name)

Q: Being that the teacher's were Spanish, how did they treat the children?
A: They were very strict, especially this man Iblor. He objected that the children speak Spanish. He always had somebody watching, and if they were caught speaking Spanish he would keep them in for the rest of the day and not let them go out at all.

Q: What about the woman teacher?
A: I really can't remember, I was very small. The last teacher I had was Deda Springer.

Q: At that later date was Spanish allowed?
A: No, she was also very strict. She was a very cruel woman she used to mistreat the kids all the time.

Q: Do you remember some of the students that you went to school with?
A: I remember some of the students names were : Well Abila's George Abila, Jacob Abila, my brother-in-law Alvin, the Valdez' , Suzy, Vickie, Andreatta. I remember some students that came from New Mexico. they lived in Turkey Creek. I can't remember their names but they lived where the Sanchez' used to live. Other students were Martha Archuleta Demasio Archuleta's wife, Fred Archuleta, Dolores Casias, Adeline, Manuel Valdez; daughters, and also his sons , Joe and Andy Valdez.

Q: Were there any Angalos in the school?
A: Yes, there was one, his name was Martin. Alvin Martin's brother.

Q: Did he get along well with the rest of the students?
A: Yes, he got along very well with the rest of the students? He spoke Spanish just as well as they did.

Q: Do you remember your mother or father ever talking about the ancient times?
A: Yes well I can remember my grandfather speaking of hauling freight from Conejos all the way to Denver, in a wagon pulled by oxen. I can't remember too many things that they used to talk about.

Q: Can you remember how people got along as neighbors in those times?
A: Yes people got along very well. They used to help each other during harvest time. There was only one thrashing machine so they harvested one farm, then go t the next they were finished. This machine ran on steam/

Q: Who owned the trashing machine?
A: I can't remember their name, but I do know that they were Angalos.

Q: Going to church was of much importance with the people around here, is that correct?
A: Yes, the Catholic Church was very important part of our lives. Many people from all around used to attend this church here. Of course the customs were different then they are now. For instance: During the month of May one certain family would volunteer to pray the rosary. people would gather at the church for this and this would go on during the whole month of May. They had different girls or they would pick girls to throw flowers and they would use perfume on the flowers. The last day of the month the virgin would be crowned and after that mass would continue every Sunday as usual. People would come from miles around to attend mass. They would come in buggies wagons and the like.

Q: How far would people travel to attend mass on Sunday?
A: Some would come from Malachite also from the place called "Colonias." People would come from Pass Creek. Since it was closer to come here then to travel all the way to Gardner. The church was always packed with people would care that the church to be cleaned before the Sunday mass.

Q: Was the alter society only women or were there men involved?
A: No. there were just women. They were in charge o keeping up the church. Two or Three of them would work on one month, then they would switch, and another two or three would work the next month, until everyone was involved. Also in those days mass was scheduled for only two Sundays out of the month. For the priest lived in Gardner and it was too far for him to travel all the way to Chama or Redwing every Sunday.

Q: When the virgin was crowned who did the crowning?
A: Well, there were two girls that were picked, they were picked in a similar was a the way Rodeo Queens are picked now-a-days. There was the queen and the attendant.

Q: Were there other types of events held at the church?
A: There was another special day that was called Corpus Christi's day. During this time two people would volunteer to fix dinner for all the people that attended mass that day. For this occasion they used to build six little rooms, which consisted of four poles and a tarp over head.. Each room contained an alter where the priest would pray at. The people would come out of the church in procession and go into each room with the priest, pray in each room and go back into the church. After they back in church the Priest would give mass as usual. After mass the people proceeded to go tot he home of the two volunteers that had dinner prepared.

Q: How long has this celebration of Corpus Christi been non-existent?
A: It hasn't been celebrated for many tears mow. At this same period of time men would gather at this place of dwelling (morada) From there they would go on to the church and pray what you call "the stations". This was done on Thursday and Fridays.

Q: Where was this place of dwelling? (Morada)
A: Oh, it was a short distance from the church not too far.

Q: Can you remember who participated in this?
A: Some of the elder men were Juan Cardenas, Alfonso Atencio, Phillip Archuleta, Pinono Archuleta, Manuel Valdez. These were the older men that were there. There were others that lived at "the colonias". (Colonius) At a later date there were Mariano Otiviz, Valdez, Andy Valdez, Rock Atencio, my husband Solomon Cordova, my brother Genaro Martinez. My father also participated in this.

Q: Were women able to participate in this?
A: Yes, my grandmother used to go there to the morada. John Rodriguez Grandmother's sister used to go there. They wouldn't stay there the whole time with the men, but they would go to visit.

Q: What was some of the things that they used to do while they were there?
A: Well, she used to go and pray. In order to get to the morada she would stop at the gates, take off her shoes, raise her skirt as far as her knees , and go on her knees all the way to the morada. There she would remain for thirty to forty-five minutes and the men would accompany her back as far as the gate.

Q: I didn't think women were allowed to go in there at all.
A: Yes, but the men did have their private place where no women or any of the strangers were not allowed to go in. There was a certain room of this morada or dwelling. They would sneak up on them and try to find out what was going on. what they were doing and they felt like they were getting bothered too much, so they just quit meeting there altogether. I am pretty sure they still have stations in Turkey Creek.

Q: What other celebrations were held there?
A: We used to celebrate St. James Day, St. Anna's Day, two days in a row. We used to have big dances that would last till around midnight. The next afternoon people would gather again to continue the celebration. These celebrations weren't always held at he same place. A place where it was held was this place in Pass Creek. They had an old school and they celebrated there. Another place of celebration was here in Redwing a big hall that was located where Sergio Abila lives now. The owner of this big hall was Ramona Salazar

Q: Was this just a hall?
A: No, she lived there. It was a house but she had a big hall connected to her house. She held dances here.

Q: Who used to play for these dances?
A: His name was Porfie Vigil. His son, they used to play the violin and the guitar. They were very good musicians.

Q: Did you have any certain games or popular sports that they used to have?
A: Yes, we used to have Rodeos that were held in Gardner. They used to have Rodeos every year till people started getting killed and they had to quit the Rodeo business. Baseball games were held in Redwing across the road from where Vernon Martin lives now.

Q: When were these held?
A: During the summer months, I was still very young.

Q: How were the enter months spent?
A: Winter time was a very difficult time. It snowed a lot more that what it does now. People would have to take their sled and go for groceries at he store. Fences would be covered with snow and people would have to go over fences to get tot her store. The grocery store located in Redwing. It was a very large store.

Q: Who owned the store?
A: At that time it was Charlie Adamson. Then he sold it and the people that I remember owning it after that was Homer Benson. Then he sold it to Jay Nelson, and then he sold it to Porfie Valdez/

Q: What was the job situation in those times?
A: People worked for little money. They earned two dollars a day. I remember when Solomon was working for Overfelts. He was taking care of cattle in the mountains and was making fifty dollars day. When he was younger he was working for Dietz. He would contract the hay and get someone to help him put it up. Putting up loose hay was very hard work.

Q: Was that mostly your husband's occupation caring for cattle?
A: Yes he took care of cattle in the mountains for the Overfelts and then when they sold to Whites he continued working for them until they started running into difficulties, so he quit. He went to work for them until they started running into difficulties so he quit. He went to work at Trincheras and he worked there for about eight years.

Q: Was your husband originally from here.
A: Yes, he was born in this house.

Q: Were his parents from here?
A: No, his father was from Walsenburg and his mother was from here. His grandparents lived near here.

Q: Can you remember their names?
A: Yes his maternal granparents were named, Manuel and Rachel.

Q: Was your husband always employed by others?
A: Yes, when he was younger before we were married he worked for this man nmaed Julius Fodge. This man lived on the other side of the mountain, near what is called the "Sand Dunes".

Q: You mentioned some difficulties that Whites hat at this time, can you explain what you mean by that?
A: Yes, he and his brother were having difficulty. They couldn't get along.. It was family problems.

Q: Why do you think it was that the Anglos always seemed to won the big ranches and the Spanish speaking people worked for them? Why wasn't it the other way around?
A: I think it was that Spanish people always let them take advantage of them, because Spanish people owned all this land here, and little by little they started selling it to the angelos and before they knew it they didn't own anything. One family that owned a lot of land and owned it for a long period of time, were the Archuleta's. They owned many acres and suddenly they were broke and they owned absolutely nothing. That's how the angalos ended up here and well , the Texans.

Q: How is it that the Angalos came about owning this land, or how did they get it?
A: Well, you'd think that would be a very important part of their lives. Well. I think what happened was that they have poor reasoning, I think they felt like it would be easier or work for someone else then to own their own property. All the mountain country around here belonged to Spanish people and the Angalos ended up with it. For some reason or another the Spanish people thought that they couldn't make a living off their own place, so they let it go for practically nothing.

Q: Did people fight over the water in Chama?
A: Yes the same as anywhere, I guess. Because they used to do the same thing in Pass Creek. You know what happened in Pass Creek due to this water rights?

Q: Would you like to tell me about it?
A: Well, my husband's father had a brother that lived in Pass Creek and his mother had a brother that lived there also. Well. they got into a fight over the water and one of them hit the other with a shovel and killed him. Of course, they used to fight with each other and argue about the water, but it was never as serious as what happened there.

Q: Did the people around here think that there was always going to be plenty of water?
A: Yes, I guess so, because if you look now the best water rights are down in Badito. The only way we get water to irrigate up here is if the river water table is high. But as soon as the water level drops, the water is taken down below again.

Q: Why is it that it happened this way?
A: I have no idea why the best water rights started down below instead of up here.

Q: Was there any law enforcement in Chama?
A: Well. during the first years no, there was none , but later on they tried to establish some kind of law. My husband was considered, kind of, not the sheriff but if there was some kind of a fight, he would, he had the authority to arrest them and to take them to jail. Of course, this happened at a later date, and not many years before he died.

Q: In what year did he die?
A: He died in 1969.

Q: Do you feel that the child bringing up is different now a days then it was then?
A: Yes definitely, long ago children seemed to have more respect. I feel that we raised our children sort of the old fashioned and not wild like some children are today. For instance like here you are asking me questions, well, some kids would just interrupt and try to answer questions, themselves not caring. Another examples, if you go visiting and the people have children they're the first ones out there asking questions or receiving the visitors. The children were always in the background letting the adults converse with each other, and today we see the children are always trying to know better then their parents or know more than the parents, or older people. If we received company my children would leave the room and not return until our company had left, or if the company stayed for a meal the children would not come to eat until the company left, then they would come in to eat.

Q: Where would they stay?
A: Well, they would go and play on the hill or play in the corrales, just stay outside playing.

Q: How many children did you have?
A: I had thirteen.

Q: Were they all born here?
A: Well, Rudy was born in the hospital.

Q: Who was your midwife or who assisted you?
A: Well, for the first one my maternal grandmother did, and for the other ones my mother did. My grandmother helped deliver babies for most of the people around here. She was a very good midwife. She was also good at curing other sicknesses. People would come and get her from quite a distance so she could help them and assist them if someone was ill. She used to have many old remedies to cure people. I think she assisted most of the people around here at one time or another

Q: Where did she live?
A: She lived where John Rodriquez lives now. Later on she moved here where Tina Martinez lives now.

Q: Was your mother also a mid wife?
A: Well, after my grandmother died she helped deliver my children. Really she wasn't a midwife she just helped me.

Q: Did I ask you where you met your husband?
A: We.., we went to school together.

Q: Did you marry very young?
A: I was nineteen.

Q: What was the procedure in getting married? Did they just meet each other and decide to get married and that was it.
A: No. it's not like it is now. They meet each other and if they decide to get married, they just go and get married. The man's parents would go to the girl's parents and both sides would determine the date of the wedding.

Q: What if the girl didn't want to marry him?
A: Well, they wouldn't let him know right away, they would go to the boys parents and let them know right away, they would have to wait eight days and after the eight days the girls parents would go to the boy's parents and let them know either way.

Q: So the Solomon Cordova's parents went to visit your parents to ask for your hand in marriage?
A: Yes. they went/

Q: Did you do any certain jobs while you were young and in school?
A: Yes. we used to work on the sugar beets. My dad used to take us to Brighton. During the summer months we went to Wyoming one time to work on sugar beet farms. Later, on we got tired of the sugar beets and we switched to potatoes.

Q: How did you get to your destination?
A: We.., by that time my father had a car and a truck.

Q: Did he own a ranch?
A: Well, we had a small place. Before we got old enough to be able to work he used to go to Wyoming and work shearing sheep. Then he would return and plant his crops. He'd plant beans, grain, and we had hogs, and chickens and a few animals. When we were very young he also used to haul freight tot he store, groceries, whatever?
A: He'd haul it form Walsenburg.

Q: Did everyone have a job to do?
A: Yes, every one did something, not an outside job but everyone worked. Hoeing the corn or the beans, doing odd jobs, not like today they just run around up and down the road on their bikes or on their cars after pot or something. By the way what did they do with those people caught with Marijuana?
A: (CC) I think they let two of them go. I really don't know about the rest.

Q: Where people into politics?
A: Yes , very strongly. There were two very strong parties, the democrats always wanted more. My father was always a republican. It didn't matter to him that the party lost. He still remained a republican. and his family did also.

Q: Who were the most political people around here?
A: I believe it was the Archuleta's. Juan Montez was also very strong.

Q: Was he a democrat?
A: No I believe he was a republican.

Q: Was there any distinct difference from then and now?
A: No, they were pretty much the same as it is now. Two parties would compete for office as commissioner or any other kind of office just as it is now. I remember they used to go house to house, talk to people and make dances in order to communicate with other people and gain their vote.

Q: Was it very difficult to be a republican since most of the people were probably democratics?
A: Well no, as a matter of fact, back then it was pretty equal, the republicans as much as the democrats. Another thing, this Juan Montez had a lot of money and you know how it is, where there's money that's where the people go, and he happened to be a republican. Lupe Archuleta also had money, so like I said, it was pretty equal. Both parties were pretty equal. And another thing was one certain party didn't hold the office for many consecutive years. Now it seems like just one party is always id office and not the other.

Q: What about outlaws, did you see or hear of anything about something like that?
A: Well, we used to hear about it. A certain party was the Espinoza's. There was talk about how many people they killed, and stuff like this, but I'm not too familiar with it.

Q: Do you remember the depression?
A: Yes, I remember that.

Q: What effect did it have on you or your family?
A: It was a very difficult time. Some people here in Chama went hungry at times, and they provided this, what they called 'relief' . And people were getting this. Of course even though we were a poor family my husband always worked out so we never did apply for this help, 'relief', even though we had such a large family. Another thing that was started at this time was project making mattresses. Many people were doing this at this period of time. We were not involved in that either. WE have never been involved in things like this, for instance, that relief or welfare that they have today. We never had to apply for anything like this.

Q: I suppose people around here always have their own garden, is that right?
A: Yes, everyone always had their garden, I remember my husband always used to leave, he had to go far to work sometimes, and would plant a large garden, and I always had many different kinds of vegetables, canned. I canned lots of food, and people from New Mexico would come to sell different kinds of fruits. I remember I would always buy their fruit and can that also. Se we never had to worry about buying groceries or buying canned goods during the winter time cause, we always had our own canned goods. We always planted plenty of beans, corn, just everything and we had our own hogs, chickens. We had a milk cow so we were we had our food provisions for our family. The only thing that we had to worry about sometimes was providing clothes for them in order to go to school. But Thanks to God, my husband had a job and was able to buy them the clothes that they needed.

Q: When your husband would leave for work who would manage the place?
A: Well, I had to manage the place I used to irrigate the fields, plow the fields and do everything. We used to plant wheat. When it was ready to cut I would find someone to come and thrash it. As far as the hay was concerned, my husband's father would cut the alfalfa and do that part. Then the boys would help him put up the hay. That was one thing that I didn't do.

Q: We certainly don't see much of that going on today, do we?
A: No as a matter of fact it's very difficult. Then with the rules and regulations that they have today for instance: Well, I'm getting Social Security from my husband's pension and I'm also getting a small amount of old age pension . But they told me at the Social Security office that I was not allowed to accept any charity from anyone. My own family was not allowed to help me in money situations or in any matters of this kind. So I really don't understand why, but that's the way it is. Another thing was awhile back they increased my social security check a few dollars because of the cost of living, but then they decreased my old age pension, so I don't see where that was of any benefit to me. So they really don't give you anything. They go up in one thing and down in the he other, so it's the same difference.

Q: What effect did the First World War have on people around here?
A: Well, I know that many people from here went to that war and some of them didn't come back, but many did. Some that returned from that war were Ben Vigil, Adolph Archuleta, Manuel Garcia, another Garcia, but I can't remember his name. He was Augustine Garcia's uncle and some others. Of course, some did not return.

Q: Did you know or hear of any history about Indians?
A: No, I never did hear anything about Indians.

Q: About how much land or acreage did your family own?
A: Well, they owned about twenty acres. Well, they still own them, Martinez's own them now. And I only have ten acres here.

Q: When you had to do the farming, was it just those then acres that you farmed on?
A: Yes, it was just ten acres.

Q: Can you remember any old saying or things such as this?
A: No, I really can't.

Q: Do you know anything or can you remember stories about witches?
A: Yes that I can remember. I still believe that there are witches today.

Q: Why do you believe this.
A: Well, many strange things happen and I believe that there are witches today. Of course a person can't say so and so is a witch. But I can remember when strange things used to happen around here. We would see lights or balls of fire.

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This is part three, Eleanor Cordova

They would tie the horses to the wagons and there they would stop and eat. If there were two or three families there, they would all eat together. On these stops people would normally rest their horses, eat and then but whatever they were making the trip to but. [exactly as written] On the following day they would all get together and return. The return trip would take a day. It was very far. Most of the time we would get here late at night.

Q: Did you go on these trips?
A: Oh, yes, yes. Over there they had stables that they would rent to keep horses over night, and they would take hay for them.

Q: What were the things that people normally bought on those special trips they made?
A: They would buy groceries, their clothing, and other things they would use in the kitchen. the man would buy implements that they needed to work the land, the farms, and the ranches, tools. Today it only takes an hour to go and to come. One goes and comes in just a little while. And you were going to tell me a story that is told around here. What story? Oh, the story about the witches and about brujeria. Oh yes, my father lived over there where the Maes love today. Where Benito Vigil lives, and they would travel to school. One day, one day when they were going to school they were passing by the old houses, do you know where the old houses, do you know where the old houses of your uncle Ezequiel Mestas is ? Yes Well, on this afternoon there was this old houses and there was an old chair and a barrel there and they took the old chair and my dad put the old chair on top of the barrel and the barrel started bucking like a horse and everyone got scared and ran away. What do you think that if had to be a witch. My uncle was very heavyweight and he had a very hard time running, and all the others were way ahead of him. And many other similar things they would talk about. One time Estefano Abila was going to get married and they left to where the Novia lived the novia the bridesmaid, they had a day of Prendorio, this was the day prior to the wedding day, when the relatives of the bridegroom would have to go receive the bridesmaid in her community and they would have a banquet and they would put out tables and all the people would get together. It was a day of celebration, and on the following day all the people would leave and go to the area or the region of the wedding where the bride lived, on the day of Casorio, the day of the Novio, which was the wedding day the bridegroom, they would go through the whole celebration all over again and this was the way weddings were. On this day Jacobo Abila was going to marry a women from Elrito and my brother went on that day to sleep with Gorge Abila because they were staying overnight and they were going to go to the wedding together. When they were returning from Gorge's house there was a stack of hay and around this stack of hay they say a great ball of fire. The ball of fire was lighting up the hay stack and you could see everything. And when they got home they were all tired and scared. Around that area there used to be alot of thing like that happening.

Q: And the women in those days , what kind of work did they do in the home?
A: People in those days were not like they are today. There was not so much gossip. The women had to wash their clothes by hand, and they had to iron with those irons they would heat on the fire. They had to scrub floors on their knees. And there was alot of darning because people economized alot. When the children wore a hole or tore their pants, their mothers wouldn't throw them away, they would mend them and mend them, and mend them. They would try to make them last as long as they could. Normally families were very big and the people spent alot of time in their homes. There wasn't much time for going around and doing alot of different things that people do now-a-days, families were very big, and they had alot of work and alot of things to take care of. The children would play at home they would spend alot of time playing with their brothers and sisters and you would never see them running all over the neighborhood. The women would do alot of sewing. Back in those days, they didn't buy all the dresses and things that they buy today. They would do alot of sewing. Back in those days, they would buy all the dresses and things that they buy today. They would do alot of sewing. Back in those days, they would buy the material and make the clothes for the children. The little girls would not wear pants in those days so the women spent alot of time darning and knitting and sewing. Today there are no women of that kind anymore. The girls are always looking to go spend some time with their girlfriends or go to the movies or go somewhere. The young women today says there is not enough to do at home, but at home there is always something to do.

Q: Is there something that you would like to tell us about the old days or about today?
A: Well, only that , what I was telling you. People were very different in those old days. They had alot of things to do. In the summer time they would spend alot of time in their orchards. They would wash their bedding to have it ready for the winter, cleaning their houses. They would repair their houses. In those days they didn't have all the material they have today. Houses were made out of mud and adobe. I myself, I used to fix my house every year, the same house I live in. I would have to plaster it all over with mud. They didn't have the cement plaster. I would smear my house inside and out every year and when my children they grew up, they would begin to help me. When the family grew, one of the girls was the first to plaster this house with cement. And then one of the boys bought me all of the material for my cabinets, and the other one fixed my walls. He bought sheet rock and fixed the inside of my house. Little by little every year the hardest work that I would have to do year after year became less and less. Now-a-days I have a little more flexibility. I have a machine for this or that, but all the things that I have were given to me by my children, either during Christmas or Mother's Day. But, oh, how I had a hard time raising them, because there was so many and they were all so small. In age they were very close, one to another. The two oldest girls were eleven months, one from another. But today they are all paying me back what I did for them. They help me alot. Only today one of my rooms was leaking and Bessie came over from Monte Vista and they fixed my room. Whenever I have any problems, either with my lights or my well, I let them know and they come and help me. I consider within myself that today they are paying me for all the problems that I had raising them. But there are many people around here, and I know, that do not have half as much help as I have. If they have problems with this or that it seems their children do not pay attention to them. They do not care.

Q: Do you think this has something to do with the way you raised your children?
A: Yes, it has everything to do with the way you raise your children. How you talk to them, the things that you talk about. They come to the realization of how difficult it was and they feel obligated in one way or anther to look out after their parents and the old folks. Do you know that sometimes when I tell my children "Thank you, very much" when They do this or that things for me, they say " You do not owe us anything, do not say thank you It is the contrary, it is we who owe you" My children and I we relate to each other on a "You" basis, we do not say "Usted", we treat each other as friends. But people talk alot. Do you know when I go to Salida to get my checkup, every time I go over there my daughters fill my tank with gas so that I can return and the same thing when I go to Alamosa. When I go to Alamosa, Ruby lives over there and she never lets me put gas in the car. And do you know that people talk about all those things. Just the other day a nephew got married in Buena Vista, a son of Johnny and I and a wardrobe but Ruby did not let me wear it she bought me another one.

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