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Edited by Sherry Cook
Date of Interview - 1-25-1980
Interviewed by Sandra Cason
118 E 4th St. Walsenburg
Date of birth - 2-5-1899
Parents - Andrew Yourick and Barbara Zira (Giro)
Ethnic group - Austrian
Family origin - Austria, Pennsylvania
Date of family arrival in County - 1902
Location of first family settlement - Rouse
Kinship ties - George Yourick, brother; Julia Yourick, sister; cousins John Giro, George and Catherine Giro.
SC: So, we are at the home of Mr. Joe Yourick, January 25, 1980. When did your family first come to Huerfano County?
JY: They first came here in 1902 from Pennsylvania, from the coal mining districts there. My dad come out first and I think he got a job at Rouse, Colorado, and then me and my mother come out not very much later, later the same year. He worked at Rouse, Colorado for a little while, but there was a coal strike in 1903 and so my dad was on strike for the time being and I can't remember how long that strike lasted, but they built the jail over here and maybe, the court house later. The jail was built in 1903. We might have had other places for the court house, but I'm not sure. Anyway the court house was built later. My dad was working in the coal mines and they had some very rough characters here. As sheriff, Jeff Farr was the sheriff here and he ruled the county with an iron hand. In fact, he had some deputies here that were pretty rough on people. They had to toe the mark. They couldn't hardly belong to a union at that time. They did work around the mines but the union wasn't recognized as a union. The United Mine Workers wasn't recognized at that time. Then, of course, there was a two party system here and at that time the Republican Party was the leading party because, like I said, Jeff Farr was in as sheriff, and like I said, he controlled it with a ruling hand. You know, real tough. Now, I think that about 1913 there was another strike on, coal strike, and coal miners went on strike and Jeff Farr, of course, was still in office. He deputized a lot of fellows and made it pretty rough on the coal miners and the Democratic Party was at that time getting a little stronger, quite a bit stronger, in fact. I don't know if they had any Democrats in office at that time. But they were getting quite a bit stronger at that time. And so, they started a rebellion against Jeff Farr and his gang. So then, they had almost a civil war. The strikers all line up behind the Hogback between Toltec and Walsenburg. The Hogback is that ridge of mountains over there. There was quite a bit of shooting going on. The strikers was back on that side and there was some on this side. Then I remember a Doctor Lesher. They had a National Guard here and Dr. Lesher was a major of the National Guard but I don't think it was a state militia. I can't remember how that developed but anyway they sent the National Guard out there and Dr. Lesher was a doctor here and he was going out to the mines to get these fellows and they started around to the lower end of the Hogback to circle and someone from the union there shot Dr. Lesher and shot another captain's ear off. Then they come back and after this happened they sent another bunch of State National Guard up and they ran them all back to town here. The Marin Lake then the militia was called in they said some of the militia encountered the strikers up there and there was several people killed up there. I remember they had some cavalry here, too. They had a bunch of cavalrymen. Now the militia was stationed up around Second Street. They had their camps up there, around Second and Third Streets. There was no house there at that time. So then the governor decided to get the regular army in and so the regular army came in and then everything quieted down. The strike continued to be on but the Jeff Farr administration was still on and there was a fellow by the name of Neilly that was running on Democratic for sheriff. He defeated Jeff Farr but only because they showed Jeff Farr stuffed the ballot boxes for election and that he had done a lot of…registered dead people. He voted people that was already in the cemetery. He took the name from the cemetery and registered them and took some stranger and voted them, see? So they won the election by contesting them and Romley Foote was the lawyer here and Mr. John East of Walsenburg. Hollenbeck of Trinidad was the judge down there and was the other lawyer at the time was John East but later on became Judge. Well, they finally won the court decision and unseated the Jeff Farr administration and from then on, of course, they kept coming and the Democrats started getting stronger and stronger. And of course they got a few office holders. The secretary of the union became the Treasurer at the Courthouse. Mr. Haynes. That's Harry Haynes dad, I think. And so, as I said, they got stronger. Then in the course of all this fighting there was a lot of mines burning. The McNally mine burned down while all this fighting was going on and they had the company up here had a water tank on the hill above Loma Park and they had it fixed with machine guns but they, at that time, they didn't have the nice good fast machine guns. They had the homemade machine guns. The CF & I company made a big gun barrel and filled it up with a lot of nuts and bolts and then shot it out. But I think that was just the first few times. Then, later on, they had this big flashlight, a great big spotlight that shined all over the community. And they would flash that light all over. Down at Loma Park and all over. And the union would hide in some ditches up by Loma Park and this light would come down on them they would shoot it out. And try to keep it from locating any of the miners that was either concentrating or trying to fight the guards. The union never did get into Walsen camp but they did get into McNally Mine and they burned the tipple and the mine down and one of the union men was killed because all the union men were supposed to have a white handkerchief on their sleeves but for some reason, he lost his or forgot it, and he was killed while that invasion of the McNally Mine was going on. And, of course, Walsen Camp was over west of the City. That's where the powerhouse is, near that. That was the Walsen Camp. Before 1913 we lived in Red Camp, which was later demolished, but that's where we lived in 1911 to 1912. And, of course, in 1913 we moved out on account of the strike, and we moved to town. Now I worked for the Colorado Supply Company in 1911 and 1912 and part time and in 1913 I was full time already because I worked during the summer. My dad died in 1913, so Mr. Buckland gave me a job in the company store. While I was working during this strike I was a delivery man. I was 12-14 years old and delivering was a man's job round here. During that strike they had another big problem on 7th Street and Mr. Waldmeyer was a machinist up there and he used to live on 7th Street , just about where Joe Joseph's building is. Do you where Joe Joseph is in town? Well, where the old school district office is…up above there. And so he was living in there and the union was giving him a lot of static, the union members were, because he was working, see? He as a machinist, see, but anyhow they didn't like the idea. So the company sent 7 or 8 guards on horses down on 7th Street and I happened to be downtown and there was a few friends. I had a wagon to deliver groceries, team of horses, real class team, and I was downtown and several of the union men, my brother was one of them and a friend of mine, Louis Komerasky, was there…and they wanted to get on this wagon with me. They wanted to get a ride up there to see what was going on. So I drove by there and sure enough they was loading this Waldmeyer's stuff up and getting ready to take to Walsen Camp. While they were doing that, these guards were prancing around with their horses and everything and so I left my brother and rest of the friends off, maybe three or four, maybe five, I don't remember how many was on the wagon and I went on up to the company store which was up there now where Lenzini's station is. And that's where the company store was and I was still working for them and so, when I got up there I heard shooting going on. Well, I heard that the guards started it and then other people said that somebody fired a shot and started it. Anyway, one of the union men was shot in the belly and I think he died. But a Greek, Louie Komerasky, that rode up with me. (The Greek is the one I think got shot.) Louis got shot through his cap. In fact, he lives in Trinidad now and I think he's still got the cap. Now, my bother is dead now, he died several years ago, but he was there and so when we heard all this shooting, the superintendent, Bob Graham, of the mine was at the store and he ordered me to go up to the mule barn to get a load of hay to unload in front of the store so they could put a machine gun, they had machine guns then. So they could have a barricade, you know, so they barricade the guards in case the union men swarmed them. Well, I refused to do that. I told him “no”, I wouldn't do it. So he said I was fired but he had no right to fire me so I went to Mr. Buckland, Store Manager, and Mr. Buckland said “Well, Joe, I am part of the CF &I.” He says, “You're fired. I guess I'll have to let you go.” So I was fired and went out after that and didn't work no more till after the strike was over. I never went back to the company store. But, in the meantime, I joined the union and worked in the coal mines too. Course I had worked in the coal mines some before, summertime's, on the tipple, picking up slack up at the coal mine and also they call it trapping, the door trapper, where the miners in the mine haul the coal with mules and then you'd open the door so you wouldn't lose any circulation in the mine, the mine circulation.
So anyway, I worked there then and then of course in 1915 the strike was over and there had been a lot of causalities. La Veta during that time had a casualty. They had a bunch of guards killed. The guards was coming down from Oak View and Oak View miners decided to have a fight with the Union men and they had a fight. I don't know how many was killed there, but there was a bunch of them killed there. John Dick was killed between here and La Veta. And he was a banker. But what he had to do with it, I don't know if that was on account of the strike. Cause they had some mines, too. The Dicks had some mines here. So I really don't remember. Mr. Dick was shot between here and La Veta. So then after that John D. Rockerfeller came out here and they promised to improve conditions if the men would go back to work and they said they would give them a raise, they would give them $3.95 and the Union wanted five dollars and a quarter. When I worked in the mine I was getting a dollar a day, 10 cents an hour, when I was trapping. Then it was 10 hours a day but then the state passed a law that you couldn't work over 8 hours so you made the same wages. So 1913 it was $2.95 for the grown men. But the kids and stuff that was under age working on the tipple it was a dollar a day. But as I said, then I left and I came back to the Colorado Supply Company and worked for them and then, of course, the election. That was when the election took place, between 1913 and 1915 and that's when they unseated Jeff Farr and I was working at the Company Store. Trinidad had some events, but I won't mention them. They had a big massacre down there too, you know? But a lot of the people in the coal camps at Pryor, Rouse, and Lester and all these other coal camps moved to a tent colony down there about where Wayt's Lumber Yard. Well, right now it would be between the tracks and here about the 7 or 800 block, no, that goes east. Do you know Blanton's place is? You don't know where Blanton's place is. Well, its this side of the overpass about three blocks or four they had a regular tent colony there that they formed, the strikers did. And then they had another one below Rouse, of the Rouse people. And Rouse and Pryor and Lester, there was some coal miners out there. They had a tent colony for them. Then they had one here for the northern mines. They had Big Four, Tioga, Sunnyside, Turner and oh, several other little mines, Toltec and Pictou, Maitland Caddell Mine was over there. So they were all concentrated in here, the ones that were on strike, see. And of course, the union thought they won something but they didn't win the recognition of the union. John D. Rockerfeller offered them the Rockerfeller Plan and he took a lot of his people and put them in the offices to run and let them have their complaints and things like they usually have in the unions, see. So they all hat to accept it. There was nothing else to do. So they accepted that and they went back to work after 1915 and they kept having their meetings. It wasn't regular union meetings. But eventually the union got possession, Union kept getting stronger in the state and they happened to have in 1921, I think, they had a Wobblie Strike, IWW, that's what they called them. Industrial Workers of the World. I don't remember now whether the Rockefeller people recognized the union before, then, or after then. The Rockefeller plan finally went out and the UMW of A was recognized and they give them some more raises. I think they went to $7.75 per day. And then of course Walsenburg's been on the same status. They haven't got any bigger. The Walsenburg town had stayed about the same, but the county has shrunk from about 16,000 to about 5 or 6,000. But the county kept shrinking in population, but the town population is the same. In the meantime the Democrats kept gaining ground to where they have full control of the courthouse and once in awhile they had a Republican teacher, superintendent of teachers. They had a county assessor one time that was Republican. The County Clerk for awhile. But later on they all lost out and it was just about 100% Democrat. It's still the same. The county hasn't got any better off. It's just about at a standstill. The reason I think is that the bigwigs in Denver is the ones that controls the state, don't seem to like they want to push anything down this way to make it grow, to make the city or county grow. They'll suggest different operations in different places but they don't seem to like they want to have it in this county. Even with the coal mines now, with all this coal going on, there's still no activity. There's a little at Pryor and some in Aguilar, but then I understand there might be some strip mining at Pictou. But I don't know whether it will do any good or not.
SC: Do you remember any stories about Jeff Farr's posse ambushing people? We have sort of a rumor we are trying to track down about a group, I think it was Italian men, from up around Bear Creek.
JY: I understand that they killed some. I understand that they were coming from Rouse to Walsenburg with a load of liquor that there was a bunch of them that got killed in that. That was an ambush. Yeah, that was Jeff Farr's gang. 'Course I was pretty young, well I was 14 years old. I was big enough to work already. I could do a man's job at 11. I know that the Dicks had the liquor sewed up. They had the brewery, and the Zangs was handled by the Matthews. The Dicks had another beer, but I can't remember what it was. It wasn't Coors then. The Dicks had the liquor business sewed up. They owned all the saloons. They didn't own them, but they made sure their people was in there. Like Mr. Morrow was at Rouse. He was a good friend of theirs and he remained that all his life. That's where he had his backing. McNally used to have the McNally mine, used to own the Maitland Saloon at one time. The Dicks had everything pretty well tied up in the county with Jeff Farr. I couldn't say they used Jeff Farr, but Jeff Farr was their right hand man, anyway, and whenever they needed anything, why Jeff Farr would see that it was done.
SC: Do you remember any stories about Jeff Farr? When you said he made it hard on people, do you remember stories of how that worked specifically?
JY: I know that if they were out on strike, just any little thing they would do, they would be put in jail. In fact, that jail was built by strikers that were on strike in 1903.
SC: This jail here?
JY: Yeah, the one that's here now. The rock jail. See, a lot of them strikers were Italians and they were good stone masons and I think they are the ones that built the jail. So in 1903 that's what they used. I don't remember if Jeff Farr was in at that time, in 1903, but he was in, from 1906 or 1907 till at least past 1913 to 1915. Maybe he was in 1903 but I can't remember that for sure. But he was in from later years till 1915 or 1916 whenever they got him out. And John East was judge.
SC: Where did your family come to Pennsylvania from?
JY: Snowshoe, Pennsylvania. They came from Allentown, really, but we first lived in Snowshoe and I was born in Snowshoe. But my birth certificate was lost in a fire at Snowshoe and the only way I was able to prove my age was the 1900 census. I went to the Census Bureau and they showed I was 1 year old in Pennsylvania on the Census Bureau. So I am 81 next month.
SC: Where did your family live before Pennsylvania?
JY: They were in Europe, but I can't remember the name. I probably could look it up. But they came to New York from Hungary and Austria. Hungary and Austria were neighbors. My dad and mother they both came from Austria, I am pretty sure. But, my uncle, he talks Hungarian quite a bit, so I don't know whether he was.
SC: Was that your uncle on your mother's side or your father's side?
JY: Father's side. No, he talks Hungarian quite a bit, and they were both in the military back then. I don't know how they come to this country. You know, they got to this country, it was incredible and you know, they didn't make no money. My mother was in New York at first and then they moved to Pennsylvania. But that's where I was born in Pennsylvania. And my bother and sister, they were born in Walsenburg. In fact, I think he was born at Walsen Camp. And Julia I think was born in Walsenburg. In fact, I think both in Walsenburg. Because Red Camp, we was out there. Well, they could have been born in either Red Camp or Walsen. They used to call that Red Camp. It was all red houses. Two story buildings and they were just cheap houses. Four walls and nothing in 'em. The wind blow right through. So, the company had a lot of trouble there with that. Then I had another brother, Alec, and he was born back East there, too. He was born back in Pennsylvia but he died several years ago.
SC: Did you marry?
JY: I was married, yeah. I married in 1920, during prohibition, I guess. I know we had to buy bootleg liquor for the wedding. I was married in 1920 to Mary Zgut. And we divorced in 1938 and then I remarried. Anyway, when I was married we had two children. Tommy Yourick is a teacher in Pueblo now, high school teacher. And I have a daughter who was working for the state highway department, Christine Chesi they call themselves now. And her name was Christine Yourick. Tommy never married. Tommy Yourick, he's at the school at Central, there, yet. They are both in Pueblo. Then I remarried Rose Crump. She divorced her husband and we didn't have any children together but she had a daughter and her daughter lives in Pueblo. Her name is Mary Ann Jenova. Her husband is the secretary of the Union of the Pueblo Steelworkers so that where they're at. And of course, I have 5 grandchildren and 6 great grandchildren. Six great grandchildren. And they are scattered all over. So I don't know. I never did go to school much. I went to the 6th grade at school and then I had to work for a living so I wasn't able to go to school. So, I used to live pretty good, I think. I had cars all my life since one of the very first model T Fords I owned. I was pretty ambitious. I always had a job. In fact, I don't remember ever being without a job, in all my 81 years. I mean 70 years, 11 of 'em I was going to school or something like that.
SC: What did you do after you worked in the mines?
JY: Well, when I worked in the coal mines, I was a trapper in the mine, Walsen and Robertson Mine for Dave Murr. He was the pit boss and then I was on the tipple, too at about that time. That was when I was 11 years old. I was 11 and I told them 14, because they didn't want to give you a job unless you was at least 14. There wasn't no law against it. But when I told them I was 14, they passed a law you had to be 16. Said, you couldn't work in the mine unless you were 16. So they trapped me. So, then I couldn't work. Then I went to school and in 1915 as I told you I worked for the Colorado Supply Company because my dad died in 1913 so I worked for them. For about 3 years, 2 or 3 years. Then I went to work at the Mutual Coal Mine, that's above Walsenburg and the Mutual Mine is West of Walsenburg and then they had the Solar and the Niggerhead Mine up there but I worked at the Mutual Mine, on and off different times from 1917 till 1923. In 1918 there was the draft and I registered for the draft but the war was over before we was called. I was 18 years old when I registered and I was going on 19 when the war was over, see? So then I went back in the coal mines and worked from '19 till '23. I worked at both Walsen and Robertson. Then I went to work for Mr. Kelmes at the _____Mike Kelmes at the clothing store for a while. In 1926 business got slow and I worked for Snodgrass Food Company. I went to work in 1926. And in 1926 to 1928 I worked for Snodgrass. I was assistant manager for that time. And they had stores on West 6th Street, down there further, by the Kirkpatrick Motel. They had a store in there. Then they moved over where the Black and White is, the Snodgrass Food Company moved there. And while they were there the Safeway moved down below, giving them competition, and then Safeway bought Snodgrass out and then Safeway just had one store. I worked for Safeway on Main Street too, where the Black and White is. I worked for Snodgrass Food Company until 1928. I was assistant manager. The Lenzini Motor Company they thought I ought to make more money and sell cars. I went to work for Lenzini Motor Company and worked for Lenzini Motor Company from 1928 to 1932. That's when the depression was on. 1928. The depression was already on back East in about '29 but we didn't feel it here till about '31. They said we could stay there but I was only making $80 a month and so I went to work for Paul Wait for a while. He was selling lumber and also Maytag washers and stuff like that. When I got there he started running short. Getting short on goods. That was in '42. I worked for Lenzini from '28 till '42. But another war came along in '42 and Paul Wait was not gonna be able to get stuff, he said, and so I went to the Pueblo Ordinance to work and I worked as a foreman at the Pueblo Ordinance Depot, 1942 till 1945 and then I came back late in '45 came back to Lenzini's, Lenzini's Motor Company and I worked there till 1970, 1971. I retired part time in '66. On account of Social Security, I was able to make $1,600 so I only worked part time. Then, I retired completely since 1970 so I am a retired citizen now. Does that give you any history?
SC: Yes, that's very good. Do you remember any stories around here during prohibition?
JY: Yeah. Well, let's see. I don't know where to start. I can't remember the names of some of these people. Well, of course, prohibition, they had to have bootleggers. And there was a lot of bootleggers. But they also had taverns where they let them sell, not 3.2 beer, but “near beer” they called it. And of course Dicks stayed on. Coors is what I was trying to think of, Dicks had before, and Matthews people had the Zangs. Anyway, they was a lot of bootleg stories. Course I wouldn't want to name any of them now. I know some of them that ran bootleg and they are dead now, too, but I wouldn't want to hurt their families, you know. But they was runners of the liquor. There was one particular liquor case I know. In fact, he came to work with me. And he said they had them, bunch of bootleg come into Walsenburg like the one they intercepted, the one that Jeff Farr intercepted. He was driving delivery wagon that I ended up driving. He drove it after I had it. And they was bringing a little liquor, from the east, from somewhere south of here and they got wind they were going to be trapped down there in the car and somebody was going to get them, so his friend, good friend of his, got him to go out there in this delivery wagon and loaded it up to deliver it here in town. That's one of the stories and I know that one to be true because this kid that took my job did it, see, so I know that was true. Then there was another one in Aguilar, Colorado, that some of the folks that are still here, they are from Aguilar. There was government agents down there and they were supposed to raid them down there and they shot one of the agents to death down there. During that time. During prohibition time. I can't think of his name either, now but it is hard to remember when you get…I'm lucky that I can tell you all this stuff at 81 that I'm telling you now.
SC: That's right.
JY: Cause it's been tough. Oh, heck! There was just a lot of bootlegging going on and a lot of people in it. As I said, I know a lot of 'em but I wouldn't mention them because it might hurt some of their families. Some of them don't even care now if they done it, but anyway, it wouldn't be right.
SC: Do you remember the story of the man that was killed up on Greenhorn?
JY: Yeah, oh, yeah. I remember that pretty good. Mr.…what the heck, I think he was a Lenzini or Donati. He was running a still. Robard was the state policeman here. Rose was the city police. And Robard was state officer to come in, I understand, and they were going to get this Italian. I forgot his first name but I'm pretty sure his last name was Lenzini. Donati or Lenzini. But, anyway, they stayed in that house, oh, 800 block, 900 block in 7th Street. It was right across…Well, anyway, this guy had a still down there and this guy was operating this still. But he was operating it with the help of Robard but nobody knew it, see? But he and Robard got into some kind of trouble so Robard called in the police. Called the federal in on him. Or the state sheriff, or county, anyway he called him in and they found out about it so he takes off across the track. They raided the place, all right, the basement, and found he had liquor there and maybe a still, I don't know just what he had there. But anyway, he raced across all the way up to Greenhorn Mountain. But before that, didn't he kill Robard? I think he shot Robard. Robard come in there and he shot Robard in the basement. He shot Robard in the basement and then they got after him and he run across the prairies all the way up to Greenhorn and when he got up to Greenhorn he had some relatives there and they housed him in there. But they finally found him and they trapped him and I don't know if he shot himself or….
SC: I believe I heard he shot himself.
JY: Yeah. They trapped him. But Robard was in with him. And I believe he shot him. Robard or Rose was the Chief of Police. And he was in with him on it but then the chief and him disagreed on some take off money and he had to get…Robard went there to talk to him about it, I guess, and he shot him. So I don't know. They didn't raid him then but went later and raided the place and found that Robard was dead up there.
JY: So, let's see. Is there anything else you want to know?
SC: What do you think are the biggest differences between now and when you were growing up?
JY: Well, the biggest difference is that everybody's got more money now. That's the worst part of it now and they don't have to work because everybody's got his gimme stuff. Everbody gets something for nothing, see, so the difference was, we had a good time. We didn't get much money but we had a good time all the time. We lived fair. We didn't starve or nothing. I don't remember people starving even during the strike. Course my mother, she had a couple of cows and some pigs and we milked the cows and my brother, George and Julia would take the milk and deliver it, sell it for 10 cents a quart and then we got $6 for the head of the family, $6 a week for the head of the family and $3 for each one from the union while they were on strike. When we wasn't on strike we was all right cause we was always ready to work. Anyhow, we never did want for too much. Oh, maybe we might have wanted some fancy clothes like you do now, but we didn't need them then, cause we wasn't going no place. I'd get a dime and walk all the way from Walsen camp to the picture show. A dime and nickel would be for the nickelodeon, would be the show and it cost a nickel to go in and then they went and raised it to a dime and my mother used to give me a quarter once in a while. Now, kids don't want nothing less than a $20 to go out. That's the difference. I think the difference is it's going to be a bad state of affairs if our politicians don't wake up to the fact…the rich politicians I'm talking about. The ones that have got all this money that are hogging it, like the oil companies and the big deals trying to hog everything, make all the money, the big car companies, hogging everything and squeezing the poor people. And sure, the poor people has a lot more then they had, but still they have to pay out a lot more than they take in. So they are getting squeezed. So if they don't watch, they are going to have a dictator in this country. And I am not kidding about that. Cause they are the ones that are bringing on a dictatorship if anybody does. Lot of people blame the poor people for dictatorship but it is the rich man, the way they are charging double for oil, making 90 million profit and 3 and a quarter and nobody else getting it. They don't even want to pay taxes on it and the middle man is paying all those taxes. It will eventually be like, well, whatever it is in them places that lost their country. Well, those places, Russia is taking them over because they ain't got no way to resist them, see? Somebody is going to do that here one of these days and all these rich guys is going to be sorry. The Democrats have got plenty of control but they ain't got sense enough to rule with an iron hand. I am a Democrat, but they ain't got sense to rule the country with an iron hand. They should tell these oil companies, “All right. You're going to make so much profit and you are going to give back the rest to the government so we can feed these poor people so they won't have anything to come back on. And then just give it to the ones that need it and don't want to work. The ones that they want to give it to that works, let them oil companies, if that's what they want to do, make all the money, make them give it back. Make the poor people earn it. Go ahead and redistribute it. That's why all this gold price and everything is going up, too. It's heading for something like that. Ain't no question about it. Cause they are going to drain all the money in all the banks that there is, all the people that's middle class, all the people that's got 500 to 1,000 to 50,000 is gonna eventually run out of money. Eventually they are going to run out of money and these big guys they got a lot of money so they are going to buy up the gold at $800 an ounce or whatever it is so they will have little and there will be some that will be smart enough to hold on to their property. Any property, mostly the land. Farms and stuff like that. So, then they'll find out. It's going to be too late. They are going to have somebody in the White House telling them what to do. And that's what is going to happen if they don't wake up to the fact that they better start taking care of 'em. I'm not in favor of giving everybody everything for nothing, but I think the ones that need it should get it and they should get it from these people that are making this enormous money. Like oil taxes, stuff like that. They should make them pay it. Lot of reasons to put people to work. Waterways. We don't have no water in this country. Why not make tunnels, ditches, cement it in. They got lot of money they're wasting. Cement tunnels all down from the high country to where there is a lot of land here and feed the whole world. They don't have to just feed us. They are starving to death in these other countries. So if they could take that money and run that water down. And they say, “Well, it costs too much to refine that ocean water.” Sure it costs money to refine but they are throwing money away for armies and for everything else.
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